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	<title>Comments on: Gather ye metadata while ye can &#8211; via Fuzzzy and Freebase</title>
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	<link>http://www.everythingismiscellaneous.com/2007/03/09/gather-ye-metadata-while-ye-can-via-fuzzzy-and-freebase/</link>
	<description>About David Weinberger's book (May, 2007) and how we're pulling ourselves together now that we've blown ourselves to bits</description>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-03-16 &#171; Talkabout</title>
		<link>http://www.everythingismiscellaneous.com/2007/03/09/gather-ye-metadata-while-ye-can-via-fuzzzy-and-freebase/comment-page-1/#comment-154</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2007-03-16 &#171; Talkabout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 03:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Everything is Miscellaneous » Blog Archive » Gather ye metadata while ye can - via Fuzzzy and Freebase &#8220;Freebase will be fascinating to watch. If we do in fact build it, we&#8217;ll have a publicly accessible (Creative Commons licensed) ontology populated with tons of stuff we care about that will do much of what the Semantic Web is trying to do: Draw implicit c (tags: joho freebase metadata social tags fuzzy ontology oreill topic topicmap map) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Everything is Miscellaneous » Blog Archive » Gather ye metadata while ye can &#8211; via Fuzzzy and Freebase &#8220;Freebase will be fascinating to watch. If we do in fact build it, we&#8217;ll have a publicly accessible (Creative Commons licensed) ontology populated with tons of stuff we care about that will do much of what the Semantic Web is trying to do: Draw implicit c (tags: joho freebase metadata social tags fuzzy ontology oreill topic topicmap map) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Weinberger</title>
		<link>http://www.everythingismiscellaneous.com/2007/03/09/gather-ye-metadata-while-ye-can-via-fuzzzy-and-freebase/comment-page-1/#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>David Weinberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, you&#039;re right about the distinction between data and metadata. It&#039;s often debatable, and I use the term too broadly.  

WRT freebase, as is so often the case, its success will probably depend on the unpredictable social dynamics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, you&#8217;re right about the distinction between data and metadata. It&#8217;s often debatable, and I use the term too broadly.  </p>
<p>WRT freebase, as is so often the case, its success will probably depend on the unpredictable social dynamics.</p>
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		<title>By: Deeper Dive Regarding Tagging and Such at Sims Learning Connections</title>
		<link>http://www.everythingismiscellaneous.com/2007/03/09/gather-ye-metadata-while-ye-can-via-fuzzzy-and-freebase/comment-page-1/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>Deeper Dive Regarding Tagging and Such at Sims Learning Connections</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 03:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lastly, I&#8217;m feeling a bit foolish about yesterday being so quick to point to David Weinberger&#8217;s post versus doing my own research first. Alas, at the end of what felt like a very long work week, I fell into the lazy blogger behavior of pointing to somebody who is pointing to somebody who is pointing to somebody. Hopefully I have received at least some redemption with the above evidence of starting to do my real homwork. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lastly, I&#8217;m feeling a bit foolish about yesterday being so quick to point to David Weinberger&#8217;s post versus doing my own research first. Alas, at the end of what felt like a very long work week, I fell into the lazy blogger behavior of pointing to somebody who is pointing to somebody who is pointing to somebody. Hopefully I have received at least some redemption with the above evidence of starting to do my real homwork. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Weinberger blogs Fuzzy and Freebase at Sims Learning Connections</title>
		<link>http://www.everythingismiscellaneous.com/2007/03/09/gather-ye-metadata-while-ye-can-via-fuzzzy-and-freebase/comment-page-1/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>David Weinberger blogs Fuzzy and Freebase at Sims Learning Connections</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 02:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;m having another of parallel universe feeling. Unknown to me as I was writing my earlier post today regarding some desired evolution of tagging and collaborative directory approaches, David Wienberger also today blogged Gather ye metadata while ye can - via Fuzzzy and Freebase highlighting to new entries to the crowded tagging field. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;m having another of parallel universe feeling. Unknown to me as I was writing my earlier post today regarding some desired evolution of tagging and collaborative directory approaches, David Wienberger also today blogged Gather ye metadata while ye can &#8211; via Fuzzzy and Freebase highlighting to new entries to the crowded tagging field. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Fienberg</title>
		<link>http://www.everythingismiscellaneous.com/2007/03/09/gather-ye-metadata-while-ye-can-via-fuzzzy-and-freebase/comment-page-1/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Fienberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 19:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;people generally resist attaching explicit metadata&quot;

I&#039;d add: people generally resist entering any data that they don&#039;t feel a compelling need to enter.

These sites may be good examples of cases where the metadata / data distinction makes less sense. The stuff a person types into fields is always *data* (e.g., at the moment it&#039;s being entered, it&#039;s data), and data can be a type of content that people are interested in generating in that &quot;user generated content&quot; sense of things.

It could make sense to imagine a spectrum between, say, tangible uses and abstract uses of data, e.g., data that I can see as useful to me right now, on one end of the scale; vs data I am informed is going to be useful to me at some point, but for which I have absolutely no tangible sense of its uses, on the other end. 

This tangible use / abstract use spectrum may match, or be able to be described in terms of the data / metadata dichotomy.  But, I think we&#039;re always going to see new applications that find ways to push metadata into the tangible use end of the scale. And, since I don&#039;t want to sound too idealistic, I should note that I am sure we can look forward to the majority of new applications finding ways to make meta/data seem hard / abstract to use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;people generally resist attaching explicit metadata&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d add: people generally resist entering any data that they don&#8217;t feel a compelling need to enter.</p>
<p>These sites may be good examples of cases where the metadata / data distinction makes less sense. The stuff a person types into fields is always *data* (e.g., at the moment it&#8217;s being entered, it&#8217;s data), and data can be a type of content that people are interested in generating in that &#8220;user generated content&#8221; sense of things.</p>
<p>It could make sense to imagine a spectrum between, say, tangible uses and abstract uses of data, e.g., data that I can see as useful to me right now, on one end of the scale; vs data I am informed is going to be useful to me at some point, but for which I have absolutely no tangible sense of its uses, on the other end. </p>
<p>This tangible use / abstract use spectrum may match, or be able to be described in terms of the data / metadata dichotomy.  But, I think we&#8217;re always going to see new applications that find ways to push metadata into the tangible use end of the scale. And, since I don&#8217;t want to sound too idealistic, I should note that I am sure we can look forward to the majority of new applications finding ways to make meta/data seem hard / abstract to use.</p>
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		<title>By: Julio Anjos</title>
		<link>http://www.everythingismiscellaneous.com/2007/03/09/gather-ye-metadata-while-ye-can-via-fuzzzy-and-freebase/comment-page-1/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>Julio Anjos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 19:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an &quot;f&quot; missing in the link under Fuzzzy.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an &#8220;f&#8221; missing in the link under Fuzzzy.com</p>
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