Comments on: Berkman-Wired podcast interview series, starting with Cory http://www.everythingismiscellaneous.com/2007/05/01/berkman-wired-podcast-interview-series-starting-with-cory/ About David Weinberger's book (May, 2007) and how we're pulling ourselves together now that we've blown ourselves to bits Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:37:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Juxtaprose - Everything is miscellaneous meets metacrap http://www.everythingismiscellaneous.com/2007/05/01/berkman-wired-podcast-interview-series-starting-with-cory/comment-page-1/#comment-2990 Juxtaprose - Everything is miscellaneous meets metacrap Wed, 02 May 2007 20:26:29 +0000 tag:www.hyperorg.com://f1cd358c2cc8a1618fe0eca8d6f99996#comment-2990 [...] and had some trouble understanding the essence of distinction. So, I asked for clarification in a comment on David’s post about the interview, and David clarified: It’s the difference between a [...] [...] and had some trouble understanding the essence of distinction. So, I asked for clarification in a comment on David’s post about the interview, and David clarified: It’s the difference between a [...]

]]> By: Jay Fienberg http://www.everythingismiscellaneous.com/2007/05/01/berkman-wired-podcast-interview-series-starting-with-cory/comment-page-1/#comment-2984 Jay Fienberg Wed, 02 May 2007 19:31:10 +0000 tag:www.hyperorg.com://f1cd358c2cc8a1618fe0eca8d6f99996#comment-2984 "The implicit is left behind in the course of doing something else. The explicit is created by a human thinking about it." As someone who does "user research," I deal a lot with the discrepancy between what someone can be observed doing and what they say they're doing. So, maybe Cory's implicit / explicit metadata idea is more accurately described as: observed / reported information. “The implicit is left behind in the course of doing something else. The explicit is created by a human thinking about it.”

As someone who does “user research,” I deal a lot with the discrepancy between what someone can be observed doing and what they say they’re doing.

So, maybe Cory’s implicit / explicit metadata idea is more accurately described as: observed / reported information.

]]> By: David Weinberger http://www.everythingismiscellaneous.com/2007/05/01/berkman-wired-podcast-interview-series-starting-with-cory/comment-page-1/#comment-2966 David Weinberger Wed, 02 May 2007 17:25:12 +0000 tag:www.hyperorg.com://f1cd358c2cc8a1618fe0eca8d6f99996#comment-2966 It's the difference between a library catalog card getting dog-eared because people keep referring to it and asking someone to come up with five keywords to describe themselves. The implicit is left behind in the course of doing something else. The explicit is created by a human thinking about it. Or so I understand it. It’s the difference between a library catalog card getting dog-eared because people keep referring to it and asking someone to come up with five keywords to describe themselves. The implicit is left behind in the course of doing something else. The explicit is created by a human thinking about it.

Or so I understand it.

]]> By: Jay Fienberg http://www.everythingismiscellaneous.com/2007/05/01/berkman-wired-podcast-interview-series-starting-with-cory/comment-page-1/#comment-2762 Jay Fienberg Wed, 02 May 2007 05:05:33 +0000 tag:www.hyperorg.com://f1cd358c2cc8a1618fe0eca8d6f99996#comment-2762 Congrats on the book! Looking forward to reading it :-) (read the transcript) Nice interview. I think "Metacrap" is a great rant. It's a handy thing to be able to whip out on that rare occasion that someone both understands a need for a lot of hand entered precise data and fails to recognize how hard it is to get people to enter that data in an accurate and precise way, let alone enter a lot of it that way. I don't really get the explicit vs implicit metadata distinction. (And, I won't even try to parse between thoughts of "explicit meta-ness" vs "explicit data," etc., either.) Is Cory's distinction really just one between human produced / hand-entered data and computer produced / computer recorded data? Or, some combination whereby the computer does the work of dealing with the data, so that, at worst, you get only computer "errors" and "mismatches" rather than human "lies" and "disagreements"? Congrats on the book! Looking forward to reading it :-)

(read the transcript) Nice interview.

I think “Metacrap” is a great rant. It’s a handy thing to be able to whip out on that rare occasion that someone both understands a need for a lot of hand entered precise data and fails to recognize how hard it is to get people to enter that data in an accurate and precise way, let alone enter a lot of it that way.

I don’t really get the explicit vs implicit metadata distinction. (And, I won’t even try to parse between thoughts of “explicit meta-ness” vs “explicit data,” etc., either.)

Is Cory’s distinction really just one between human produced / hand-entered data and computer produced / computer recorded data? Or, some combination whereby the computer does the work of dealing with the data, so that, at worst, you get only computer “errors” and “mismatches” rather than human “lies” and “disagreements”?

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